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From: Lance (Automotive Recycling Research
Date: 18 Jun 2003
Time: 03:58:51
Remote Name: 66.82.48.1
Part II, ELV-End of Life Vehicle ---- Used Cars and Unitd States or United Countries, United Nations or European Commission Un-united Countries. ------- The UK has it's own plan called ACORD-Automotive Consortium on Recycling and Disposal. They are proposing a cash incentive for turning in a vehicle, the Economist and the Futurists have both had articles on this thought and it is similar to te Oil Companies paying to get off the road those cars which would not run on Unleaded fuels and needed the lead additive. People were paid to dispose, in this case though people are paid ot dispose properly and the UK would let the manufacurers off the hook and let the owner be responsible after all they own the car and there is no telling how many owners a car in Europe may have had during its life before it became an end of life vehicle like Logan in Logan's Run and had to be renewed. The UK's Motor Vehicle Dismanterlers Association agreed that the owner would given the $75.00 equivelent in pounds as an incentive. Probably also would need to be based on inflation and the CPI-Consumer Price Index you know the Brits in their need to be exact, they are all wannbe economists. Failure to properly dispose and renew registration on the vehicle would mean that the fine penalty would be issued to their drivers license, they are more connected there. But the problem is inconsistencies for instane Greece had no shredding sites, while Germany has 42, Italy 16, France 42 and in the Uk 37 total. Problem too is that those cars from others countries in Europe would not be able to take their cars to the UK, they only want to dispose of their onw cars, not everyone elses. Obviously they do not want to pay the $75.00 for every damn schmuck in Europe who want their car melted and shredded, pardon my french (freedom fries). Sounds like a few fries short of a HAPPY MEAL to me? That quote stolen from "Bias" by Bernard Goldber describing a comment about Hunter S Thompson who ran for Sheriff in Aspen CO. Oh forget it, just wanted to give him some credit. Back to subject..... In Austria which makes no cars, they want to be paid and have the other countries to come pick up the damn cars, Germany says we can do this since they wil levy, guess what another friggin TAX or they call it a LEVY of $100.00, but that levy is dry and Austria is saying that wil be the day when I die, meaning Yah Right? Like you guys in Germany are so far in debt you will steal the money from Peter to pay Paul and we will never see a dime of that and we know it. Germany of course loves the upfront money. Ever since Hitlers economic policy of collecting goods in trade up front and holding payments against those goods until tehy strung out vendors (countries) like Sears and then owned you. No one is fooling the Austrians and they could care less because they do not make cars anyway, figuing it is everyone elses problem so come get your cars and forget about us building any shredder plants in our beautiful country. France and Spain are taking the approach that the manufacturer should pay the difference between the scrap that is collected's value and the cost to scrap it. Good idea, but what about mergers of car companies or those succombing to economic pressure of the low dollar today against the Euro. What about those who will not be here in 2015 when these cars are junked, who pays for that? Like all these manufacturers are going to be here tomorrow? And in a merger is the new company responsible? Lots of questions, the UK is still talking with industry and the cars well they keep piling up, in the United States we have more room, but many of these old automobiles have other issues and materials of yester year, just like the oold aircraft in the desert are slowly decaying and aluminum in the water may cause the immune system to attack the brain such in Alzheimers. Still not proven yet. Another issue is if the Germans collect upfront and a premature incident such as the Floods in Prague where cars were junked early the junk yards would sell the engines and other components. But also in accidents, theft recovery vehciles already paid on, small car fires, or terrorist's being killed and bullet holes these vehciles are not sellable but parts can be taken off, why should the manufacturer have to pay, shouldn't they get a refund? But Germany cannot pay everyone not to work and still have money left. These vehicles have gearboxes, engines, body parts which may still be sellable. In the US the Argonne National Laboratories have been studying ASR-Auto Shredding Residue, kind of like the slime on the shredded documents the SEC wanted, but were beat to the punch by the co-conspirators of Shred-IT Company. About 10 million vehciles are scrapped in the us each year. Now remember the net gain of 7 million is the traffic you see when you find out you are number one with that guys middle finger road rage attitude. How about the gentleman who helped some woodbe theives recycle their vehicle in PHX, when he drove his Hummer H2 over the top of them as they tried to get away? HA HA That is what I call premature, premeditaded ELV Justice !!! Of course there is one Catholic Bishop in the same City who may find out about colon therapy after the fatality hit and run of a jay walker. That was ELP-End-of-Life Person. You see the 10 million vehicles crushed or shredded in the US each year contains about a million tons of polyurethane Foam and about 1,500,000,000 pounds of thermoplastics, which is trucked to the landfill or incincerated, either way it is a lot, the rest ends of the vehciles end up at Bubba's house in the back yard and weeds eventually take over, this is how Jerry Springer show recruits find their next guest stars by offering them a free T-Shirt. Jeff Foxworthy, he justs comes up and gives them a sign. Sorry for the humor, getting tired you know, back to the subject matter..... By recycling the ASR-Automotive Shredder Residue as per Argonne's tested model, a reduction of 75% of the waste can stop on the way to the landfill. In the US we have discovered this can be resold to make other products, both in automotive and other fields. This is done by a two stage trummel, it is like a rotating screen, same principle as fishing for gold in Auburn CA gold country. Or the Rock Crusher sifters in Sunlight goldmine in Butte, MT. The sifter splits up the debris into three parts, similar to the quarters, tokens and dimes sent into the coin-op car wash for processing into rolls for the bank and recycling of tokens back to the machine. In this process the University of Chicago was able to build the machine able to take out the dirty foam, oxides of less than 6 mm, like rust chips and also the glass chips, dirt (Ah ha a new industry clean the car completely before crushing or shredding, call the car wash guys... http://www.carwashguys.com and you people wonder why we do research, silly folks, you'll never learn? No wonder the competition studies our every move? They cannot think so they imitate-opinion)...back to subject ... Also taken out would be sand granulars, other metals and plastics. Smaller holes allow these materials to filter and the foam rises and is left. It is merely dumped over the side and collected in a huge bin and trucked away. Very efficiently however recovering nearly completely debris free dirty foam larger and lighter foam chips. Like the water which weighs more than the gold. Foam and we have stuidied it on this board previuosly, go ahead an look it up after you are completed with this topic. the Foam is then washed, rinsed, dried and then of course re-used. Foam when mised with chemical is easily dissolved and then the chemicla precipitated out and the foam is reblown with gas and made into the next substance and preferrable shape. Foam being 5% liquid and 95% gas until it hardens is cheap to make, but having the substance the 5% for free is also cool. The only issues are the same involved in bulky cardborad recycling and the economies of scale and mass production depend a lot on transportation issues, trains and trucks cost money to run and the stuff is bulky for it's value. if the substance can be removed onsite it is much more feasible and the foam turned to liquid is reduced from 100 volume to 5% volume and now in liquid form and can easily be transported by CSX tanker car anywhere you want it and then shipped anywhere in the world in bulk. This is very cool. Plastics can be easily separated by froth flotation and precipitates and thereofre can be recycled cheaply, the Industries dealing with Mineral Separation use this method as well. The ABS-Acrorylontitrile-buta-diene-stryrene is abstracted by difference in density to the high-impact polystyrenes which sinks faster. So you can separate the two types of plastic with 95 plus percentage accuracy. The recovered ABS can be used for a multitude of things in another automobile. There are a few issues also with the thin galvanized steel used to keep cars light which is used in modern cars, it is zinc coated and when your melt it, it gives off toxic clouds of dust. Which as you guessed can also be used, no not by Saddam, he was left in a "dust" of rubble by a smarter non-recyclable device. This is more ashes to dust syndrome, not used in recycling of cars. Back to the subject.... The best idea is to strip the zinc before the process and thier is a way to do this by using sodium hydroxide and electolosis at room temperatures. To remove the iznc from solution use a centrifuge like the one NASA uses to spin SUVs around for kicks during coffee breaks and calls it research, BS, they are simply having fun and pretending it has something to do with rollover center of gravity flip points. Whatever, gotta get your kicks, probably beeter than the child porn, the justice department found on their computers and then discovered their own justice department employees had three times as much but did not reveal to the senate sub committee on subject of online pornogrpahy of children, I swear the DOJ needs to clean house one of these days if they are going to talk the talk we need accountability there too. Truth, Justice and the American Way? Sure, Father, Son and the Catholic Priests. Give me a break? --- Back to subject matter.... The Argonne is going to sell this entire process to Belgium, and the other EU countries are saying that for evey 35 ELV cars just one engine can be sold, nearly 95% of all ELVs have negative value, yet the Argonne solution solves those issues. One issue with the recycling of steel is much is contaminated with copper, this could cause failure in steel frames on cars and especially with grain memory methods of manufacturing where the steel is trained to stay straight such as in steering rods, axles, truck frames, bridge components, buildings etc. if bent the steel returns to it's intended design shape without worries of fatigue from torsion or other forces. The Japanese would by it after all they claim their stainless is the same, but when 5% nickle is really used it does not rust like the Japanese steel, no wonder we are upset with their imported steel. Even with 505 stainless for underground tanks if we use the Japanese stuff our tanks will corrode much faster leaving us with significant damage to envrionment and drinking well water and underground acquifer contamination although that was never dicussed in the Kyoto treay either. Okay okay...so you cannot build a soap bax for me to stand on out of recycled foam, plastics or steel...yet...back to the subject. You can recover about 50 lbs of zinc from a ton of steel and yes zinc has value such as undercoatings of bridges, use in pigments or marine or aircraft corrosion prevention. Plastics recovered is about half the cost to producing plastics from corn due to corn prices, with other palstics, eating and ethanol. Also in drought years plastics cost more due to oil companies getting more as less corn is produced for taco shells, Kelloggs corn flakes and tony the tiger. In all seriousness though this is correct along with the articificial manipulation of the commodity markets as marging players, market movers, famrers hedging their bet against the crop production and speculators let it all hang out. One issue still remains, window tint, laminated glass, antenna and heating element materials often embedded in the windshields, windscreens and rear windows. In the EU there are also the same issues we have here, those old five gallon flush toilets, refrigerators, washers and dryers, all an issue. I cannot tell you the amount of toilets traded in in drought areas and the non-energy efficient refrigerators traded in, in nearly every city in America and this has helped America become more energy efficient, but the mountians of debris are unbelievable. Think about it. Good thing Jeffrey Domilar did nto trade in his refrigerator, that would not have been fun to power wash. Netherlands and Sweden have had auto disposal plans in affect for quite a while. I hope you learned something from this, because as used car prices fall and cars are worth less, there will be more scraped. As we sell more cars and newer more efficient vehicles their will be more scraped, as fuel cells come into play and we work out the bugs of technology problems we will see all those cars on the road end up scrapped. We need to have a plan and we are well on our way in the states, we can work better since we are in the same country and all on the same team, as long as the other states follow the BMP that fits the needs of the American People and do not try ot build some special program to pay off their over spending as their tax base dwindles from cutting off the hand of the businesses that fed them all these years. ----- for car detailing go to; http://www.detailguys.com
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